"Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him" (tylerssvtfocushateshim)
11/07/2013 at 14:58 • Filed to: None
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"Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him" (tylerssvtfocushateshim)
11/07/2013 at 14:58 • Filed to: None | 1
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Class average was a 62, got a 76, adjusted to an 85 after the curve. So stoked because it basically locks in my grade at a B in a class I've really had to work in. In celebration, have some $kaybait in glorious, battle-scarred GT2 trim.
ttyymmnn
> Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him
11/07/2013 at 15:03 |
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Congratulations on the grade. That said, I'm not crazy about the idea of a curve, even though I've benefited from them myself in the past. Life does not grade on a curve. Architects and engineers can't design on a curve, doctors can't operate on a curve. I can't perform music on a curve. At some point, it either has to be right or wrong.
Sorry for the rant. Good on ya for being ahead of the crowd.
Casper
> ttyymmnn
11/07/2013 at 15:12 |
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I was about to say the same thing. If you need a curve either the students didn't apply themselves enough or the teacher did a poor job educating. Either way, poor preparation for the real world.
Congrats on the grade though.
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Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him
> ttyymmnn
11/07/2013 at 15:22 |
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In complete agreement. Curves serve no purpose other than to make the professor look better, and like you said, only exist in academia. Regardless, I'm not complaining about being bumped up a letter grade lol.
rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S
> ttyymmnn
11/07/2013 at 15:32 |
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I would disagree on the curve - you can make difficult tests where even the best students in an undergrad course would be unlikely to get 50% of the points correct. These types of tests are better to me than ones where it is possible to get 100% correct since if I, as a professor, see someone do several standard deviations better than expected I know that person was an A student.
Of course, this kind of approach only works in situations where the majority of students get a C (or maybe B-), then the grades are distributed in a bell curve around that midpoint. So, not at most colleges currently operating in the US.
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ttyymmnn
> rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S
11/07/2013 at 15:35 |
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Interesting take. Thanks.
YSI-what can brown do for you
> Casper
11/07/2013 at 15:46 |
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Take calc based physics, then you will understand why there is a curve. The teachers are shitty, and the tests aren't based on any of the learning you do outside of class. It is possibly the bullshitest class ever. The averages on test range from 40 to 50%. . .
The curve is basically there to make professors look good because they are so shitty at teaching the class.
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Casper
> YSI-what can brown do for you
11/07/2013 at 15:48 |
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Exactly. That's why I'm against curves. If people saw how bad they were doing, they would be replaced or forced to improve.
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YSI-what can brown do for you
> Casper
11/07/2013 at 15:50 |
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To be fair, if there was no curve, most people would fail the class. This happened when I was still in pre-pharm. When I took anatomy, I think about 15 to 20% of the class failed because it didn't have a curve.
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Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him
> Casper
11/07/2013 at 15:57 |
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Thank you!
Depressoiscool
> Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him
11/07/2013 at 16:03 |
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Sounds like my circuits 1 class... avgs so far(exams/quizz): 27/50, 22/60, 20/40
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Casper
> YSI-what can brown do for you
11/07/2013 at 16:09 |
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Good? That is what should happen. If the test isn't passed legitimately, either the test wasn't on the right material or the students didn't know the material. Either way, they didn't know the test and should fail. After they fail, the why should then be evaluated.
It really bothers me that there is the assumption most people should automatically pass tests. Tests should be hard.
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Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him
> Depressoiscool
11/07/2013 at 16:10 |
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Seems like for any technology class (engineering, computer science, etc.) that's how it goes.
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YSI-what can brown do for you
> Casper
11/07/2013 at 17:10 |
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There is hard and then there is unfair. My microbiology class was hard, but you could still do it if you tried, my Calc classes were hard, but not unfair. Anatomy? Please look at physics.
Now I am not saying curves are a good thing, it lets lazy students get away with a better grade, but it does give better students a better grade. After all, I don't want to be in college forever, and failing a class 10x because a teacher is shitty doesn't help. Hell, this graded scale is a pretty terrible way of seeing if students are learning, anyway.
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Casper
> YSI-what can brown do for you
11/07/2013 at 17:13 |
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It also lets lazy teachers get away with not teaching. All it is doing is making passing classes worthless because no one knows if the students came out having learned anything.
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YSI-what can brown do for you
> Casper
11/07/2013 at 17:45 |
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Well professors aren't hired because they are good teacher, but rather what research they will do for the school. In the end everyone gets screwed cause the professor can't strictly do research and the students get a bad teacher.
McLarry
> Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him
11/07/2013 at 18:31 |
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I had a solid-state electrical engineering course where the class average was in the 20's for both midterm exams... The professor would rant at us after every test how dumb we were, but it was a simple case of exam material not following class material; he had a very prestigious research contract, but wasn't much of a teacher...
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Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him
> McLarry
11/09/2013 at 05:25 |
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That's what sucks about STEM courses, most of the professors are at the university primarily to research, not educate. I'm taking a history minor and for all the shit liberal arts gets, it's like night and day going from statics to my WWII class. The engineering professors are normally tenured, too, so it's not like the department can add new professors who can actually teach. At least it teaches you self-reliance, I guess.